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只看樓主 倒序閱讀 使用道具 樓主   發表于: 2010-02-09
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Increased sharing of revenues 係咪能夠 enhance competitive balance呢?

想攞d資料同聽下各好友既寶貴意見....

宜家既英超係無好似NBA咁既salary cap / luxury taxes架可?....
[ 本文被望晴天在2010-03-02 20:05重新編輯 ]
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引用第0樓望晴天2010-02-09 07:47發表的“[討論] 英超應否採用更公平的Revenue-Sharing Schemes ?”:
最近寫緊份論文...
Increased sharing of revenues 係咪能夠 enhance competitive balance呢?
想攞d資料同聽下各好友既寶貴意見....
.......

我dissertation同都好可能會掂到呢方面嘅野

而家冇salary cap, 有人提出過, 當然亦有相反意見, 覺得唔應該有.

其實真係兩睇.

一方面, 當然各隊實力會比而家平均d, 賽事更緊張刺激, 唔會好似而家咁, 未開波就已經得返兩隊realistically有機會爭冠軍.... (呢方面好多人都講過, 我唔使講咁多啦.)

另一方面, 有人會話, 咁d隊伍羸黎咪冇左個獎勵? 原來排第尾可以早d 響下年draft pick揀人 (nba個case) 如果係足球, 可能正如你講嘅 increased sharing of revenues. 咁d弱隊咪可以話係有條件放pea亂黎? (或者另一角度睇叫做有保障)
一d隊伍辛辛苦苦羸埋, 俾d可能冇咩付出嘅隊伍一齊share返舊錢, 似乎...... (好似之前derby咁, 升上黎, 慳埋慳埋d錢, 就咁降返落去)   你可以話, 升得上黎, 佢鍾意點做都得, in唔invest都唔關其他隊伍事, 你又可以話, 佢係得英超一份分, 就有權share個revenue. 但另一角度睇, 英超有呢個收益, 都係因為球會嘅investment帶黎d球星呀, 提升左球隊實力呀咁, 如果有d隊invest左咁多, 結果係同d冇咩投入資金嘅隊伍一樣, 收返咁上下錢, 其實都唔係咁公平. 呢d唔係點invest嘅球隊, 對於成個英超又有咩貢獻呢? 淨係上黎拎完錢就走, 仲要拉低賽事嘅質數.... 其實都唔係咁公平......
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只看該作者 2  發表于: 2010-02-09
1) 從來都冇得 fair
係 London 球會可以 charge 門票貴好多...
其實好似 Man Utd / Liverpool 門票係平 Chelsea / Arsenal 一截

2) England League System 係有好多個 division 好多隊
唔似 NBA 咁唔使升降班

3) 想問你指 ge Revenue-Sharing Scheme 係指 Boardcast 方面定係所有 ??

4) 有 d 球隊係冇機會爭冠 ga la
不過佢地咪每季進步越打越上 lor
e.g. Everton / Aston Villa / Fulham
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引用第2樓TZZero2010-02-09 15:43發表的“”:
1) 從來都冇得 fair
係 London 球會可以 charge 門票貴好多...
其實好似 Man Utd / Liverpool 門票係平 Chelsea / Arsenal 一截
2) England League System 係有好多個 division 好多隊
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exactly
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只看該作者 4  發表于: 2010-02-10
多謝曬樓上咁多位既意見

其實基本上份research係想探討下英超有無可能實施好似american sports league咁既revenue sharing scheme

(例如加入salary cap同luxury tax, 好似NBA咁唔encourage NYKnicks, Dallas個d用高薪執roster既情況)

減低只有 big4奪標 同埋 mancity / portsmouth 本季富貧對比既現象

其實我自己未落手...只係睇左d reference同articles, 因為自己都覺得唔feasible....

(因為好難想像英超加入呢個制度...)

所以想聽多d熟識英超既好友既聲音....希望大家可以俾少少時間發表下...
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只看該作者 5  發表于: 2010-02-10
Should European Football Adopt a Revenue-Sharing Scheme?
Posted by Brian Phillips on 1/31/08 • Categorized as Politics and Economics

Today more than at any other time in the history of sport, fans are aware of the way the rules governing money influence the fate of their teams. We follow the money game—who taps into what markets, who accrues what debt—with a savvy that would have seemed bewildering, and perhaps a little depressing, to fans half a century ago. Knowing what’s going on behind the scenes at a club, as we’ve seen with Liverpool and Manchester United this month, is simultaneously a defensive tactic for fans concerned about the rapid expansion and commercialization of sport, and an outgrowth of the apparently illimitable interest that is driving the expansion.

But I wonder if we’re not paying too little attention to the money game as it affects the larger problems in sport, rather than problems at specific clubs. Every Man Utd fan can name the exact amount of the annual interest payment, but when we think about issues like “competitive imbalance” or “disregard for fans,” we’re still much more likely to direct our blame at individual people or general social change than at the financial structures that underlie the problems.

For instance: despite the enormous, and growing, resentment felt by many fans of European football toward the concentration of power among a few elite teams, there seems to be very little serious discussion about instituting an American-style revenue-sharing system within European leagues. The obstacles in the way of doing so would be intimidatingly large, but surely not more so than the difficulties of changing human nature or reversing the flow of time, which is what we demand of ourselves when we blame David Gill or “the Sky revolution” for everything wrong with football.

The general problem in football—or at any rate the outline that seems to emerge from the most common fan complaints—is
   That the consolidation of wealth, especially from television revenue, among top clubs has created a competitive environment in which it is unfairly difficult for smaller clubs to advance, or for any but a few superclubs to compete for top honors.
   That survival for smaller clubs, and success for larger clubs, has begun to require a prohibitive investment from fans, in the form of higher ticket prices, increased tolerance of risk, and submission, in many cases, to the primacy of the larger television market.

We might add a third category, the mismanagement of clubs by unscrupulous owners. But it would really be an extension of the first two, as it’s the influx of television money that’s made clubs vulnerable to profit-seeking owners in the first place.

Is there any other practical solution to these problems but a revenue-sharing scheme? A system designed to redistribute wealth from large clubs to small clubs and from upper to lower divisions, and perhaps to place a limit on the amount of money clubs could spend on player salaries, would have (at least) the following benefits:

   Smaller clubs would be able to compete in the transfer market and, as a result, to challenge for trophies. This would almost certainly spell the end of the big four in England (and its variations in other countries), and lead to significantly more parity within domestic leagues and international club tournaments. Increased competition would make the game more exciting for everyone.

   The survival of many smaller clubs, and the preservation of their role in local communities, could be secured regardless of their performance or ability to exploit new markets: meaning that local clubs could stay local without passing missed-opportunity costs along to their fans.

Isn’t that more or less what everyone wants? And yet how many “profit-sharing is the way forward for European football” columns have you read compared to the number of “greed is destroying football” columns? Greed is not going to abandon football until the last dollar is had; so isn’t the sensible thing to advocate a system that would keep greed in check, keep clubs from being run like playthings, and ensure some competitive balance?

The difficulties…well, the difficulties you can foresee. Chelsea will not like being told to share their television income with Kettering Town. The Premier League itself largely exists as the top clubs’ collective refusal to do so, which means that some degree of legal coercion would most likely be required to force their compliance and end the threat of future breakaway leagues. And the EU will have to be involved, since preserving the integrity of international competition will mean establishing UEFA-wide requirements for revenue sharing within national leagues. Then there’s the problem of maintaining open leagues—preserving the promotion and relegation ladders—while ensuring an equitable distribution of income; something no American league has had to contend with, and that will be fiercely complex to work out.
Revenue sharing in European football is, in other words, an unfeasible, unlikely idea. But football administrators at top levels, Blatter and Platini included, are in favor of it, and surely if the popular clamor became loud enough the smaller clubs and larger politicians would begin to take it up. It would have costs—in American sports, it’s arguably lowered the standard of play of the best teams—and complications that I am not able to estimate. But shouldn’t we at least be talking about it? Online, I see academic papers on the subject, studies, research reports…but very little discussion from bloggers or fans, even the ones most likely to object to the current system. Isn’t this a conversation that we ought at least to start?

A good passage 有時間可以睇下....應該無人睇...
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只看該作者 6  發表于: 2010-02-10
引用第4樓望晴天2010-02-10 07:36發表的“”:
多謝曬樓上咁多位既意見 [表情] [表情]
其實基本上份research係想探討下英超有無可能實施好似american sports league咁既revenue sharing scheme
(例如加入salary cap同luxury tax, 好似NBA咁唔encourage NYKnicks, Dallas個d用高薪執roster既情況)
.......

portsmouth 嘅貧.... 同其他真係冇錢球會唔同.....
bolton嗰類, 係真係冇錢.
portsmouth同leeds嗰類, 係自己過份樂觀地"先使未來錢", 應該係唔同type的.

話時話, 你份dissertation係淨係考慮英超嗎?
我嗰份, 睇成個英國嘅足球.
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引用第5樓望晴天2010-02-10 07:38發表的“”:
Should European Football Adopt a Revenue-Sharing Scheme?
Posted by Brian Phillips on 1/31/08 • Categorized as Politics and Economics
Today more than at any other time in the history of sport, fans are aware of the way the rules governing money influence the fate of their teams. We follow the money game—who taps into what markets, who accrues what debt—with a savvy that would have seemed bewildering, and perhaps a little depressing, to fans half a century ago. Knowing what’s going on behind the scenes at a club, as we’ve seen with Liverpool and Manchester United this month, is simultaneously a defensive tactic for fans concerned about the rapid expansion and commercialization of sport, and an outgrowth of the apparently illimitable interest that is driving the expansion.
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唔單止有興趣, 仲對我有用添~

呢篇係學者嘅article黎? 如果係, 可唔可以俾埋個reference我?
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只看該作者 8  發表于: 2010-02-12
呢個問題都幾深奧下
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只看該作者 9  發表于: 2010-02-12
唔講都唔知NBA 會有呢個schemes...
雖然唔係咁熟悉..
不過, 從南華開始睇... football with commerce 係大勢所趨...
如果要做到商業既效果.. 咁一定係free market係最好...
Revenue-Sharing Schemes 其實變相係invisble hand, 影響左個market 去maximize 個benefit

再睇大球會咁貴買人都係想打得好d...
就算阿仙奴專買年輕球員, 但都係雲加精心挑選..
就係因為大家收入唔同.. 先會有differentiation, 唔同球隊既買人既風格都會唔同d...
Revenue-Sharing Schemes 無疑係會促進單一化...

同埋降班球隊又點計? 降班都俾佢? 定俾升班果隊?
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只看該作者 10  發表于: 2010-02-13
同埋其實好難實施
如果淨係英超實行,可能球星會轉哂去其他聯賽
呢方面同NBA好唔同,因為NBA可以叫做壟斷左個市場
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引用第8樓arsenal2010-02-12 12:10發表的“”:
呢個問題都幾深奧下 [表情] [表情]


其實都真係...

我會由financial aspect同埋competitiveness兩方面去睇如果英超adopt RSS既effect..
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引用第7樓sikingthegreat2010-02-10 09:08發表的“”:
唔單止有興趣, 仲對我有用添~
呢篇係學者嘅article黎? 如果係, 可唔可以俾埋個reference我? [表情]


umm唔係journal/literature.... 只係普通既article既column... Brian Phillips寫既你可以search下
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只看該作者 13  發表于: 2010-02-14
好學術性既討論。但樓主若然真係想更多人討論,起碼都比番少少解釋出黎先得架。唔係其他人都幾難插咀。


YFF 已死!!這是 Fantrax 的新時代!!
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只看該作者 14  發表于: 2010-02-16
其實revenue sharing scheme係指division of league revenues among teams (mainly係gate revenue + broadcasting revenue)

呢個scheme對competitive balance既影響係uncertain....好多economists做過既research都得出唔同既results

因為heavily depends on assumption of the model (e.g. market structure, nature of functions etc.)


根據Szymanski同Kesenne所講... Increase gate revenue sharing既話反而會reduce competitive balance...

因為如果revenue sharing升左, 會reduce profit maximising team owners既incentive去compete... 因為every team既returns to winning會低左... 咁會引致less competition去attract players, 令salaries下降, 再令賽事standard下降... 而且同一時間... 會引致a more uneven distribution of talent in the league, 從而減低competitive balance..


呢個係簡化左既結果...我唔係度用d太深既theory同econometrics....

其實我係想引起大家既討論氣氛同埋睇下有無d簡單既睇法evaluate下呢個scheme既feasibility

希望大家除左睇波論波亦可以多d唔同perspective去討論足球既development...