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Mr-Brian 2007-06-07 17:43

F.3 Physics問題 !!!

A metal block of 0.250 kg is heated by a 500度 bunsen flame before it's immersed into 2kg of water at 25度 . What is the final temperature of the metal-water system ?
Give that the specific heat capacity of the metal is 350 J
Give that the specific heat capacity of the water is 4200 J

點計???

萊斯特 2007-06-07 18:10
Let T be the required final temperature

Energy loss from the metal block= energy gained by the water
    (do it yourself)

Hint :use E=mcΔT for this question



PS:

"Give that the specific heat capacity of the metal is 350 J
Give that the specific heat capacity of the water is 4200 J"

wrong unit!!

Mr-Brian 2007-06-07 20:29
D metal比五百度既火燒唔一定會變五百度架wor

萊斯特 2007-06-07 20:34
引用第2樓abbrian20052007-06-07 20:29發表的“”:
D metal比五百度既火燒唔一定會變五百度架wor [表情]

ARAR ...
yea...

睇錯左...

sorry

萊斯特 2007-06-07 20:52
......       =____= """""""


唔當佢去到500度既話......
根據現有資料真係唔知點計.....

唯有等d勁人出馬...

智者 2007-06-07 20:54
有無講舊metal 一開始幾多度?


Mr-Brian 2007-06-07 21:04
引用第5樓智者2007-06-07 20:54發表的“”:
有無講舊metal 一開始幾多度? [表情]
0.25 x 350 x (500-25) = 2 x 4200 x T
自己計 [表情]

冇講,連heat幾耐都唔講

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:05
0.25 x 350 x (500 - T) = 2 x 4200 x (T - 20)

assume no energy loss to surrounding
assume the metal block is heated up to 500℃ before it's immersed into water

智者 2007-06-07 21:08

0.25 x 350 x (500 - T) = 2 x 4200 x (T - 25)
assume no energy loss to surrounding
assume the metal block is heated up to 500℃ before it's immersed into water


呢個應該arm

智者 2007-06-07 21:10
錯的

someone 2007-06-07 21:13
o個舊metal 係咪copper 呀...
我都唔記得....
應該知佢個溶點.....
if 佢未溶o既話可能真係會上到500 計架喎.....

AND 我應為係最後個METAL 同 個WATER 會係EQUAL in temperature....
所以...
有o的唔同意智者o個個....

someone 2007-06-07 21:14
引用第7樓萊斯特2007-06-07 21:05發表的“”:
0.25 x 350 x (500 - T) = 2 x 4200 x (T - 20)
assume no energy loss to surrounding
assume the metal block is heated up to 500℃ before it's immersed into water

應該係final 減 initial.....

someone 2007-06-07 21:14
其實我計到係20....
好似唔合理....

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:17
引用第10樓someone2007-06-07 21:13發表的“”:
o個舊metal 係咪copper 呀...
我都唔記得....
應該知佢個溶點.....
if 佢未溶o既話可能真係會上到500 計架喎.....
.......

唔係去唔去倒既問題
問題係題目冇講有冇去到

智者 2007-06-07 21:18
haha

d heat既野比番哂呀sir

someone 2007-06-07 21:19
引用第13樓萊斯特2007-06-07 21:17發表的“”:
唔係去唔去倒既問題
問題係題目冇講有冇去到

咁既然個metal 可以o係500 度都未溶o既話
咁佢一定可以去到500...
好似水咁
水o既沸點係100...
以水o既狀態最高都係100...
你俾110 佢o既話已經唔再係水

但假如你俾50 佢o既話...
佢一定會到50 囉....

someone 2007-06-07 21:19
引用第14樓智者2007-06-07 21:18發表的“”:
haha
d heat既野比番哂呀sir [表情]

我都還哂

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:23
引用第15樓someone2007-06-07 21:19發表的“”:
咁既然個metal 可以o係500 度都未溶o既話
咁佢一定可以去到500...
好似水咁
水o既沸點係100...
.......

你仲未明我講咩....

其實佢可以話舊metal 被heat到去400度就被放落水

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:24
引用第11樓someone2007-06-07 21:14發表的“”:
應該係final 減 initial.....

咁應該....


ps:ans 我計倒24.9

智者 2007-06-07 21:24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat_capacity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper


copper shc = 385 J /kg degreeC

Melting point 1084.62 °C

智者 2007-06-07 21:26
引用第17樓萊斯特2007-06-07 21:23發表的“”:
你仲未明我講咩....
其實佢可以話舊metal 被heat到去400度就被放落水


我 lum 佢既意思都應該係500度.......

因為舊metal 應該好快就升到500度啦

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:29
引用第20樓智者2007-06-07 21:26發表的“”:
我 lum 佢既意思都應該係500度.......
因為舊metal 應該好快就升到500度啦 [表情]

我都係咁諗...
不過始終題目冇講...
咁我唯有假設佢係500度先放

someone 2007-06-07 21:37
引用第21樓萊斯特2007-06-07 21:29發表的“”:
我都係咁諗...
不過始終題目冇講...
咁我唯有假設佢係500度先放

i know~
但我覺得係暗藏~
因為中三o個個...
個阿sir 話....
phy 有好多野都係暗藏左~
當你知~

so 我都係向住呢邊諗~

但大家o既假設都係一樣~
冇誤會

萊斯特 2007-06-07 21:45
引用第22樓someone2007-06-07 21:37發表的“”:
[表情] i know~
但我覺得係暗藏~
因為中三o個個...
個阿sir 話....
.......

唔唔

哈哈~
唔知洗唔洗假設埋冇water變steam

智者 2007-06-07 21:56
引用第23樓萊斯特2007-06-07 21:45發表的“”:
唔唔 [表情]
哈哈~
唔知洗唔洗假設埋冇water變steam [表情]


evaporation

仲有佢地重量既error

CKL 2007-06-07 23:07
你地唔好嚇親abbrian2005

sing888 2007-06-07 23:09
f.3 phy 我唸都係照當舊metal 500度姐 ?

Bun 2007-06-07 23:16
(500-X)(350)(0.25)=(X-25)(2)(4200)~
heat lost by the metal=heat gain by the water

有咩問題~.~....


仲有~~其實唔洗話佢可能唔夠500度~~
咁人地果個flame係500度的~佢應該會heat up到同個flame same temperature的~~
所以~~
咪搞事棍啦=v=:p


p.s.

想知佢有冇變steam~~
可以假設左佢變steam先~
個metal 變返100度的話...
heat lost=(500-100)(350)(0.25)=35000(J)

但要d水由25度升到100度.....要(100-25)(4200)(2)=630000(J)

因為630000>35000
d水跟本升唔到上100度...
咁就一定唔會變steam@@

萊斯特 2007-06-07 23:18
引用第27樓alvin_bun2007-06-07 23:16發表的“”:
(500-X)(350)(0.25)=(X-25)(2)(4200)~
heat lost by the metal=heat gain by the water
有咩問題~.~....
.......


Oh my goodness!!!
我連題目個數字都睇錯呀

萊斯特 2007-06-07 23:23
引用第27樓alvin_bun2007-06-07 23:16發表的“”:
.......
想知佢有冇變steam~~
可以假設左佢變steam先~
個metal 變返100度的話...
heat lost=(500-100)(350)(0.25)=35000(J)
但要d水由25度升到100度.....要(100-25)(4200)(2)=630000(J)
因為630000>35000
d水跟本升唔到上100度...
咁就一定唔會變steam@@


應該唔可以用e個mass

Bun 2007-06-07 23:27
引用第29樓萊斯特2007-06-07 23:23發表的“”:
應該唔可以用e個mass

點解~~=v=咁都唔啱~~?

萊斯特 2007-06-07 23:36
引用第29樓萊斯特2007-06-07 23:23發表的“”:
應該唔可以用e個mass


我所講既WATER TO STREAM意思即係舊metal係放左落水個一刻,
the water around the metal is heated up to 100 degree(the heat may not be distributed throughout the whole system, as heat need time to be transferred)
and gain latent heat and become stream

PS:and also leave the system
and the energy gained by these mass of water will never return
this can be treated as "energy loss to surrounding"
so that's why i said "唔知洗唔洗假設埋"

someone 2007-06-07 23:40
我同alvin o既計法一樣....

我覺得中三唔駛諗咁多.....

Bun 2007-06-07 23:51
引用第31樓萊斯特2007-06-07 23:36發表的“”:
我所講既WATER TO STREAM意思即係舊metal係放左落水個一刻,
the water around the metal is heated up to 100 degree(the heat may not be distributed throughout the whole system, as heat need time to be transferred)
and gain latent heat and become stream
.......

哈哈哈=v=


基本上呢個唔係中三phy的問題...
其實我相信就算係讀到博士...
都冇可能會計埋呢樣野...

問題係跟本計唔到...
成個係一個ramdom process~~


唔好鑽牛角尖=)

萊斯特 2007-06-07 23:56
引用第33樓alvin_bun2007-06-07 23:51發表的“”:
哈哈哈=v=
基本上呢個唔係中三phy的問題...
.......

放心...我ed CE level Physics 仔 唔會咁唔自量咁走去 計ed "數"
我只係係概念層面度作d猜測 :)

英俊 2007-06-07 23:58
do you have chinese

perhaps i know






























ps:i am f.3 too

someone 2007-06-07 23:59
引用第35樓handsome 仔2007-06-07 23:58發表的“”:
do you have chinese [表情]
perhaps i know [表情]
.......

你o係個高考勁人到話你i know?

Bun 2007-06-08 00:01
引用第36樓someone2007-06-07 23:59發表的“”:
你o係個高考勁人到話你i know?

你講緊你丫=)xD

其實唔關事~~
佢冇講錯嫁...
係會有呢d事=)
咁諗埋都唔係一件壞事黎既~~
不過計果陣就唔洗咁鑽牛角尖了=)

英俊 2007-06-08 00:02
引用第36樓someone2007-06-07 23:59發表的“”:
你o係個高考勁人到話你i know?

對唔住












anyway...
can you give me chinese version

英俊 2007-06-08 00:03
MC△T






































(逃)

someone 2007-06-08 00:06
引用第37樓alvin_bun2007-06-08 00:01發表的“”:
你講緊你丫=)xD
其實唔關事~~
佢冇講錯嫁...
.......

你扮傻?


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